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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Apr 28, 2009 5:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question for Charlie Miller or anyone else in the know

On several of the matrices (ha!) I've listened to there is an audible warble in the sound, almost like uneven and unmatched tape speeds. I recognize that most everything is digitized, but this is surely some kind of carryover from the analog source. In any case, it's a flaw that is detectable, a nuisance and degrading to either one or both of the original sources. Bottom line is that just laying on source on top of another is probably not all there is to creating a top quality matrix.

If I were Charlie and spent hours upon hours creating a listenable board only to have it used for a less than stellar matrix, I'd have something to say about it as well.

Even though most agree that if you're going to publish something to the web for download, it becomes more or less open source. However, I would think that if nothing else, the creator would ask both sources (if known and available) for permission to upload the matrix for public purposes. It's only polite.

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Poster: podsix Date: Apr 28, 2009 7:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question for Charlie Miller or anyone else in the know

Thanks for fixing that, the matrixes was definately not working!

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Poster: hseamons Date: Apr 28, 2009 6:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question for Charlie Miller or anyone else in the know

MUST......FIGHT......WITH LIGHT.........



1979-12-28
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1979-12-28.mtx.seamons.94267.sbeok.flac16

1977-04-23
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1977-04-23.mtx.seamons.97596.sbeok.flac16

1977-06-08
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1977-06-08.mtx.seamons.95361.sbeok.flac16

1982-09-21
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1982-09-21.mtx.seamons.97705.sbeok.flac16

1994-10-01
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1994-10-01.mtx.seamons.95066.sbeok.flac16

1980-06-20
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1980-06-20.mtx.seamons.92783.sbeok.flac16

1977-05-08
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1977-05-08.mtx.seamons.97274.sbeok.flac16

1977-05-09
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1977-05-09.mtx.seamons.98168.flac16

1978-04-16
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1978-04-16.mtx.seamons.98535.flac16

1983-09-06
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1983-09-06.mtx.seamons.95820.sbeok.flac16

1985-09-03
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1985-09-03.mtx.seamons.94595.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: rastamon Date: Apr 28, 2009 6:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question for Charlie Miller or anyone else in the know

so i would assume that a hseamons/Miller MTX has the blessings of everyone involved?

Maybe not so with that latest MTX of 10/27/79 Cape Cod that Rob Bertrando panned (MTX'd by Jim Groves)

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Poster: hseamons Date: Apr 28, 2009 6:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question for Charlie Miller or anyone else in the know

not necessarily, but the Dead have blessed us to share the music freely..........and hopefully produce some nuggets. If yer looking for great trix by great matrixers, please use sound judgment, and disern wisely, bearing in mind THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A PERFECT TRIX, AND THERE ARE INDEED SOME REAL BAD ONES - BUT ONE JUST MAY GRAB YOU BY THE ADRENALINE GLAND AND YANK REAL FUCKIN' HARD......THANK YOU SCARFIRE AND OTHER ONES!!!!!!!!

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Poster: billydlions Date: Apr 28, 2009 7:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question for Charlie Miller or anyone else in the know

by the way Hunter, I wasn't trying to bash you in this thread. When I requested 9-21-82, I thought the matrix would be an improvement over both available sources and I believe you accomplished the goal. On the other hand I dont want Charlie to stop putting out his upgrades or new sources that become available. I hope there is some resolution that makes everyone happy. Perhaps it's not even an issue ( which goes back to my original question, has he in fact stopped working on upgrades)?

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Poster: hseamons Date: Apr 28, 2009 7:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question for Charlie Miller or anyone else in the know

That post, I believe you are referring to, was made in October of 2008, and Miller has still been cranking out his fine work in good ole' Miller fashion. I think people added words to Miller's - perhaps tongue in cheek - remark in order to bash Hunter Seamons (that's me) like a banshee (tongue in cheek). But I think we're all okay now. The community presses on.....in kindred spirits.......I think.......hopefully.......while some may still think I'm an ass for whatever reason.......somebody's got to do it.....with GOOD reason......

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Poster: elkdog Date: Apr 29, 2009 5:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question for Charlie Miller or anyone else in the know

I think Hunter's right here. Charlie got frustrated, it seems, that matrices of varying quality were coming out only days after his source, as if an attempt to steal his thunder. It was discussed heavily over at LL, and it seemed that a mutual understanding was reached. CM has indeed rolled out new sources since then- his fix of 10/27/79 in fact just rolled out a week or so ago.

Basically, my understanding is that matrices are totally subjective. There are some that I love (like Hunter's 9/21/82- an old favorite show of mine that really comes alive in a new way through Hunter's work), and then there are some where the sources just don't add up to a great blend. It's hard work making one of those matrices- lots of phase issues and synchonizing to do, and I appreciate the work of anyone who does it. That said, the Miller sources tend to be brilliant on their own, to my ear. The 10/27/79 Miller source mentioned above also makes me very, very happy.

I think everyone can keep doing what they're doing, just maybe with a bit more respect for each other than they had before that conversation took place. Thanks, Charlie and Hunter, for all the great music you've worked on.

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Poster: billydlions Date: Apr 28, 2009 7:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question for Charlie Miller or anyone else in the know

I'm not sure why you deserve the bashing as no one is forcing anyone to download your product, but thanks for clearing that up. I dont always like the matrices available but many do offer an improvement to what's available and isn't that what it's all about?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 28, 2009 7:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question for Charlie Miller or anyone else in the know

Hey, reading my drivel above (can't believe I didn't see that a bunch of folks said similar things before me...I didn't see them your honor! seriously! I didn't take them and modify them for my own use...har, har), it comes off as ungrateful, but I was just playing Devil's Advocate.

I do tend to agree with Earl: there is the principle (what I was arguing above, in a legalistic/copyright/free market of artistic interpretation sense), BUT nonetheless, it would be polite to do it as E outlines...

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Poster: hseamons Date: Apr 28, 2009 7:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question for Charlie Miller or anyone else in the know

I LOVE JERRY GARCIA! I LOVE CHARLIE MILLER! But sometimes those dudes just don't deserve politeness.......honestly.....and neither do I......

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Poster: hseamons Date: Apr 28, 2009 7:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question for Charlie Miller or anyone else in the know

FURTHERMORE, I'm sick and tired of the "There's nothing better than a Charlie Miller source" agenda, but I'm even MORE SICK AND TIRED of the "There's nothing better than a Hunter Seamons matrix - no seriously, there isn't, I promise you...you must see the light and behold the truth about his work" agenda. Next time I hear someone say that, I will go totally ape and shoot my dog. SEE!? NOW YOU KNOW I'M DEAD SERIOUS ABOUT THIS SHIT! DON'T MESS WITH ME!!!!!!!! MY MATRIXES ARE ALL FLAWED!!!!!!!!!!! THAT'S RIGHT, I SAID MATRIXES YOU SONS OF.........BROTHER ESAU!

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Poster: rastamon Date: Apr 29, 2009 5:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question for Charlie Miller or anyone else in the know

well, you(hunter)don't come across as being smug & filled with yourself as some others may seem. Just a normal deadhead doing a good and kind thing in making those fine MTX's to share. Can't see where CM could complain about you(unless he's a snob).
It shows in his occasional posts here.
Having a choice between many audio sources is a good thing-imo. Hey now, are you the same Hunter who posts at deadhook?...nonetheless, both CM and HS both put their hearts into producing some fine SB's & MTX's-thank you

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Apr 29, 2009 7:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question for Charlie Miller or anyone else in the know

"Can't see where CM could complain about you(unless he's a snob).
It shows in his occasional posts here."

i've noticed that sometimes too - who knows, maybe he is a man of few words. either that or he is a snobby crybaby like Melissa Rivers on Celebrity Apprentice :)

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Poster: rastamon Date: Apr 29, 2009 10:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question for Charlie Miller or anyone else in the know

flawed syntex(?)not to mean he's snobo, perhaps aloof of the common rabble. Of course, we here are all rather uncommon...(being part loofer myself). Marriage will bring CM to earth-if needed, for sure.
hey dire, I've been away half this month (painting in Pine Grove) did u tye the knot yet?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Apr 29, 2009 11:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question for Charlie Miller or anyone else in the know

May 31st my brother - coming up mighty quickly :) Certainly looking forward to the ceremony and seeing my beautiful bride in her (as-of-yet-unseen-by-ma) wedding dress. Not so looking forward to dealing with the reception.... too much for one day ;)

then off to Sedona AZ for some spritual and mental healing (not because of marriage - lol)

hope all is well with you!!!

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Poster: rastamon Date: Apr 29, 2009 11:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question for Charlie Miller or anyone else in the know

congrat's! Never been to Sedonia, but have heard it's very beautiful (i've seen many pic's of there)
one of those formal receptions? only participated in one wedding-as an usher. My mom used to make wedding cakes and/or cater local weddings in the 70's. I helped at many of those...altered states of working.
Grate for you, Don and good luck!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Apr 29, 2009 11:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question for Charlie Miller or anyone else in the know

thank you very much :)

very formal reception (ugh!), but atleast it will have a raw bar and sushi bar held withing some very funky icesculptures!! (i may just sit in front of those the whole evening - the hell with the guests!!)

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Apr 29, 2009 1:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question for Charlie Miller or anyone else in the know

RAW BAR? As in OYSTERS? What time should I be there? If I haven't said before - congrats man. I love being married ( this time around ) I wish you both and much happiness. And the kids too of course.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Apr 29, 2009 2:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question for Charlie Miller or anyone else in the know

thanks man!!! i appreciate that - and yeah, i expect this time around to be just amazing for me too :) she is a wonderful kind beautiful woman and both my girls just absolutely ADORE her!

and yes, OYSTERS galore yummmmmmmmm :) catch a flight for that date and i will see you there!

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Apr 29, 2009 2:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question for Charlie Miller or anyone else in the know

ymmm indeed! I'd love to be there if I could.

Everything sounds perfect for you guys. i'm glad. Good times!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 29, 2009 8:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question for Charlie Miller or anyone else in the know

Whewww....I was expecting a "unless he's a snobby crybaby like William Tell"...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Apr 29, 2009 8:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question for Charlie Miller or anyone else in the know

figured i would let you off the hook for once ;)


plus, since i have been unwittingly sucked into the Apprentice this season, i had to put my "experience" to SOME good use :)

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Apr 29, 2009 8:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question for Charlie Miller or anyone else in the know

Dire - Annie is the ex-wife of one of my oldest and closest friends. Her kids, that she continually mentions but does very litte to raise, are close friends with my daughter.

As you are aware, her last name usually goes in front of my handle.

BTW, her brother Howard is a great guy and HUGE deadhead. He has a bunch of Garcia canvases/paintings.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Apr 29, 2009 9:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question for Charlie Miller or anyone else in the know

i had NOOOO idea Howard was a deadhead!!!!! Now THAT is some cool info about one of the best in the business. very cool to know he is a real good guy to - love watching him play though i havent watched the tour too much the past year or so.

too bad about Annie not doing too much in raising her kids. good player and i enjoy watching her too. hard to know what she is really like based upon the Apprentice game - lol.



thanks for that info and post my friend :)

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Apr 29, 2009 9:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question for Charlie Miller or anyone else in the know

She loves them and they are good kids. I've made a vow to her that I'll never say anything bad about her that could get back to the kids (which promise I've kept unless one of them is a deadhead posting here).

http://www.directoryofonlinepoker.com/poker-players/howard-lederer.shtml

"Howard is also a ‘Deadhead’ or Grateful Dead enthusiast and has seen the band in concert over 100 times"

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 29, 2009 6:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question for Charlie Miller or anyone else in the know

Ah, this I know: "huntr" is exactly that spelling (the techno wize at Hook and here at times), and I cannot for the life of me recall the reference, but it hails from something literary, whether classical or comic book, video game or alien origin...ie, the name "huntr" and has no direct rel'n to "Hunter"...

Ergo, de facto plop: he is not likely him.

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Poster: billydlions Date: Apr 28, 2009 8:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question for Charlie Miller or anyone else in the know

Hey Tell,

you never know as Charlie may be sitting on that SBD for 6-14-68?

And then Hunter can matrix it with that terrible aud source just for you.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 28, 2009 8:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question for Charlie Miller or anyone else in the know

Aaeeiiiiah!!!

Don't even mention that possibility! I'd have to literally thread him thru an old worn out Teac capstan and roller post til he was matrixed on a BASF 120 min tape!

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Apr 29, 2009 8:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question for Charlie Miller or anyone else in the know

Any time you take 2 sound sources and combine them, you have to deal with the synchronization issues. There are many slop factors - especially in analog tape decks - that can cause synch problems between multiple sources. If the synching is not perfectly done, the MTX will suffer terribly.

Just to name a few...

1. Tape speeds vary.
2. Tape tension, pinch roller, and capstan parameters vary.
3. Tape stocks, and tape packing on reels can cause p/b issues over time.

Personally speaking, I find sometimes that SBDs of GD can be "dry-sounding" - particularly on vocals. That's why I love the SBD "21619" source for Veneta. It has a bit of reverb on the vocals. Many older AUDs often lack the cripsy sound that we enjoy. SBDs do not suffer from this. A good Matrix can overcome both issues and sound excellent. I am definitely biased towards the "live sound" side of GD.

Hunter's gd79-12-28 MTX is one of my favorites. I can't say it suffers from any synch issues. Nor does another fav of mine, gd80-06-21 MTX.

The gd73-06-10 matrix suffers in a couple of places due to some terrible out-of-synch issues for example. I can't listen to it. But I love Kevin Tobin's work, and he know's it. Same with Hunter. I appreciate your work.

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Poster: hseamons Date: Apr 29, 2009 10:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Question for Charlie Miller or anyone else in the know

Good points, deadhead monte. I have also found that sometimes the AUD or SBD source alone can get phasey at points, which makes the matrix sound phasey. Some folk will say, "Hey, this MATRIX sounds phasey." But they are wrong if this is the case.....